Health secretary Matt Hancock spoke to Phillip Schofield and Holly Willoughby on Tuesday's This Morning, after refusing to appear on Good Morning Britain.
And while his snubbing of the early morning show was not addressed, Phil and Holly did speak to Matt about the new lockdown rules, which have left people majorly confused.
Phillip was dying to know when he'd be allowed to see his parents again – both at the same time, after the slightly loosened rules allow you to meet one person from another household in a public space while keeping to social distancing guidelines.
Matt said: "One at a time is fine. All these judgements are balanced judgements in the big picture of us trying to keep the R rate down, to keep the virus under control,